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Message 6797 - Posted: 5 Dec 2006, 14:41:51 UTC - in response to Message 6796.  

Please note that I don't have a problem with the current software, but this topic is 'my wish list' and a 'Force EDF' function is something I think could be of use. :-)


What version of BOINC are you using?

Version 5.4.9. Didn't have an issue with the virus software so didn't upgrade to 5.4.11, waiting for 5.6/5.7...

What do you have your connect every X set to?

Erm, 0.6 Days for most machines. 5 Days for an offline one. I think.

Which projects are you attached to?

17 in total, see graphic for list.

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Message 6803 - Posted: 5 Dec 2006, 15:23:19 UTC - in response to Message 6797.  

Answer from John McLeod 7:

"OK. If he has the machine offline for the weekend, he ought to have connect every X set to about 3. This should solve the problem.

5.4.x would enter EDF if there was a deadline within 2* the connect every X.

The next version, 5.8, will enter EDF if a result may not meet a computation deadline. The computation deadline is: report deadline - (connect every X + 1 day + project switch time).

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Hope this helps you along. :)
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Message 6806 - Posted: 5 Dec 2006, 16:02:12 UTC - in response to Message 6803.  

Answer from John McLeod 7:
SNIP!

Thanks for the help, I'll see if I can juggle the three allowed 'locations' in order to set this up without causing more errors on other machines. Otherwise, I'll just continue in my current manner. :)

MacDitch


PS. Can I also add to the vote for a sort function?
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Message 6837 - Posted: 7 Dec 2006, 14:02:00 UTC

3 petites choses � am�liorer :

1) sur Boinc, il y a peut etre un probleme lorsque le DD sur lequel il est, arrive � saturation de son espace, et que 2 WU climateprediction (entre autre) tournent dessus.

Lors d'un acc�s sur l'onglet disque, cela provoque :
un ralentissement voir une etreinte fatale du process, car ces WU sont tr�s charg�es en fichiers. J'observe qu'il n'y a plus moyen de sortir de l'onglet, meme en rebootant le PC. En relancant boinc on peut se retrouver bloqu� au meme (?) endroit. Le temps de calcul de l'espace dd etant prohibitif, et/ou de relance de boinc pour ces lourdes WU.

==> sugestion mieux threader le boinc manager et boinc.exe ou bien
modifier boinc manager pour lorsqu'il est relanc� pour qu'il aille sur le premier onglet projet.
==> Am�liorer la routine de calcul d'espace disque occup�, qui me semble bugg�e.
voir 2)

2) J'ai esay� une nouveaut�, de monter un disque sur "C:\\Program Files\\BOINC" un disque pour lui tout seul pour r�soudre mon probleme de saturation du disque c:,
en ayant pris soin de sauver le contenu du r�pertoire boinc
et en le placant sous la racine du nouveau Disque j: que j'ai mont� en
"C:\\Program Files\\BOINC" .

- J'ai remarqu� qu'une nouvelle version 5.4.11 �crase le lien sur c:
et s'installe en C:\\Program Files\\BOINC (sur le dd C:) pas sur le nouveau dd en j:\\ .

- L'onglet disque provoque la meme chose et plante, peut etre que la limite en pr�f�rence d'espace alou� � Boinc dans la routine de calcul de l'espace disque restant ne prend pas en compte l'espace du bon disque dur (ici j:) restant correctement, mais prend c: .

==> sugestion : il faut tester que C:\\Program Files\\BOINC est un lien (vers j:) vers un disque mont�, et non un r�pertoire sur un m�me disque (c:).

3) Concernant les WU terminant en erreur, ne serait il pas judicieux de faire en sorte qu'elles ne soient pas perdues:

Quand une Wu sort en erreur, ses repertoires et donn�es sont effac�s ! Or
les Wu climatepr�diction notament sont �normes (2 WU ~= 8Go sur mon dd), on peut perdre tout le b�nef du temps de calcul qui peut atteindre des miliers d'heures.

==> option pour ne pas effacer en sortie sur erreur une WU,
et laiser le choix du traitement.

==> Pr�voir un nouvel onglet 'Sauvegarde'.
� chaque fin de temps de calcul d'une WU,
la sauver que si son code de sortie n'est pas en erreur lors de la permutation de WU en prenant que les fichiers modifi�s ou cr�s de la WU entre deux passes.

proposition pour l'onglet 'Sauvegarde' :
Commandes:
- Activation ou non d'une sauvegarde des WU,
l'Activation ajoute un champs suppl�mentaire dans l'onglet 'Taches'
et un bouton Sauvegarder la Wu dan s la z�ne Commandes de Taches.
- Choix de l'espace de sauvegarde (commun ou au choix),
- Liste des WU sauvegard�es,
- Recharger/R�cuperer une WU sauvarg�e,
- Effacer la sauvegarde de la WU.

Etat:
- Etat de la WU (en cours | en erreur | termin�e ok),
- nom WU,
- programme de calcul de la WU,
- espace occup� et nombre de fichier.

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Message 6838 - Posted: 7 Dec 2006, 17:03:24 UTC
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Bonjour

A propos de votre 3e proposition, ca m'etonne que deux unites de travail occupent 4Go sur le disque dur. Je me demande si pendant un certain temps vous avez mis en marche l'enregistrement du module graphique. S'il s'agit d'une unite de travail en cours, je crois qu'il y a moyen d'effacer les restes d'un enregistrement. Si par contre il s'agit d'une unite de travail morte/terminee en erreur, la fiche entiere de l'UT peut etre efface car toutes les donnees utiles restent sur le serveur a Oxford. Il n'y a donc pas d'UT perdues.

Celles qui ne demarrent pas ou qui achevent peu de calculs sont redistribuees par le serveur a d'autres ordinateurs.

Toutes les UT qui ont acheve au moins 10 annees de calculs fournissent des donnees que les chercheurs peuvent utiliser; il est probable que lorsque les programmeurs a Oxford auront fini d'ecrire le petit programme qu'il faut, les UT qui ont acheve 40, 80 ou 120 annees de calculs pourront etre terminees par d'autres ordinateurs. Ce sera pour l'annee prochaine.

En ce qui concerne la sauvegarde des UT en cours, pour le moment on est bien oblige de le faire soi-meme. La sauvegarde hebdomadaire est recommandee. On a ici 4 collections de liens utiles README. Dans la collection Crashes and other problems, le premier lien mene a des instructions ecrites par Les ou il explique la sauvegarde et restauration du fichier boinc entier. La sauvegarde des UT telles quelles est impossible - lors de leur restauration, elles ne se remettent pas en marche.

http://www.climateprediction.net/board/viewforum.php?f=36

Je vais demander a Arnaud de verifier ce que j'ai ecrit. Il voudra peut-etre repondre a vos autres propositions.

Zut, il a fallu que je supprime tous les accents. Je n'arrive pas a faire fonctionner les chiffres-code - ni une serie ni l'autre!

ALT + number lock + 130 donne é
ALT + number lock + 0233 donne é


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Message 6839 - Posted: 7 Dec 2006, 17:42:17 UTC
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Hi Mo.v

I've done a quick translation on the Boinc-loc list:
I think one of the Wu of that user is a sulphur Wu (last trickle today), that's why the size of the CPDN folder is so big.
http://climateapps2.oucs.ox.ac.uk/cpdnboinc/hosts_user.php?userid=97447 (3rd machine: a lot of crashed models and a sulphur Wu that could explain the size of 8 Gb: if it's another machine, the viz is recorded as there are only coupled models)
And AFAIK, you can choose the disk when installing BOINC (no sure as I'm using Linux), so all this stuff with the mounted j disk is a complication, isn't it.


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Message 6840 - Posted: 7 Dec 2006, 17:55:54 UTC - in response to Message 6839.  

First off, with thanks for the lightning quick translation, Arnaud.

And AFAIK, you can choose the disk when installing BOINC (no sure as I'm using Linux), so all this stuff with the mounted j disk is a complication, isn't it.

You can point the Windows installer to which drive and directory you want to install BOINC. It's the third screen in the installer, looking like this:

By using the Change... button, you can put it anywhere you want. (see the Wiki for the other screens).

I did forward points one and two to one of the developers. Just in case we need to test these options (fool proofing the software).
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Message 6841 - Posted: 7 Dec 2006, 18:11:21 UTC - in response to Message 6840.  
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I did forward points one and two to one of the developers. Just in case we need to test these options (fool proofing the software).


Hello Ageless and Arnaud,

Saw your messages in the Boinc-loc list and (as far as I know) the tab issue is now an option in the xml of the skinnable 5.7.x manager.

- <!-- advanced view, overriding a users last displayed view. 0 means use users last open tab -->
<open_tab>0</open_tab>


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Message 6843 - Posted: 7 Dec 2006, 20:18:04 UTC

Now for my own little 'wish'. The internet is supposed to be getting ready to display the letters and symbols of all human languages (I know ICANN isn't ready yet).

In my post up above in French, for the accents I used Alt + number lock + my usual short codes eg 130 for e acute. It didn't work (é) and the result was unreadable.

So I went back and substituted the long codes eg Alt + number lock + 0233 for e acute (é). That didn't work either, though these codes work on the cpdn forums.

So I went back and edited the post again to an accentless version. Am I doing something wrong or is there some function that this forum lacks?
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Message 6846 - Posted: 7 Dec 2006, 20:47:07 UTC
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test: � � � � (Alt+0233 is working for me: �)
there is probably a table of characters in Windows: you could just copy/paste the accented letters
Your french is so good that I'm surprised that you don't have an azerty keyboard (you can probably find one on ebay.fr for almost nothing)
test in UTF8: � � (Alt+130 and Alt+0233): it's working...:o)

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Message 6882 - Posted: 9 Dec 2006, 9:36:47 UTC

To have the forum software updated to the latest version so it stops sending me a email for every reply to a message
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Message 6887 - Posted: 9 Dec 2006, 13:37:47 UTC - in response to Message 6882.  

To have the forum software updated to the latest version so it stops sending me a email for every reply to a message

Unsubscribe from the thread or threads then. The forum software here won't be updated for a while yet.
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Message 6894 - Posted: 10 Dec 2006, 15:19:13 UTC

As we are moving into the multiple cpu age on our computers, would it be possible to have a local option to set number of cpu's to use rather than 'run always'/suspend.

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Message 6900 - Posted: 10 Dec 2006, 21:05:22 UTC - in response to Message 6887.  

To have the forum software updated to the latest version so it stops sending me a email for every reply to a message

Unsubscribe from the thread or threads then. The forum software here won't be updated for a while yet.


Daft answer or what, I subscribe to some messages for a reason so I know when a reply is posted. Sure I can cope with it for now until something is done
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Message 6901 - Posted: 10 Dec 2006, 21:31:04 UTC

As an interested bystander, what DOES the latest software do?
Send an email every x messages?
Wait for a reply before sending another?

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Message 6902 - Posted: 10 Dec 2006, 21:36:08 UTC - in response to Message 6901.  

As an interested bystander, what DOES the latest software do?
Send an email every x messages?
Wait for a reply before sending another?



A fix was put in place to stop the boards sending an email every time a subscribed thread is replied to. So the latest version on most of the projects will now only send out a reply once, and any other replies that are made are not notified every time, that is until the user visits that thread and the whole process starts again.

So its now similar behaviour to a standard forum board
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Message 6903 - Posted: 10 Dec 2006, 21:57:47 UTC

Thanks for that.
Hope the upgrade isn't toooo long, then. :)


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Message 6904 - Posted: 10 Dec 2006, 22:25:57 UTC - in response to Message 6900.  

I did request that the software be updated, but David didn't see the need for it. I'm sorry.
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Message 7151 - Posted: 28 Dec 2006, 20:18:18 UTC - in response to Message 6882.  

To have the forum software updated to the latest version so it stops sending me a email for every reply to a message

I asked again and ta-da, the forum software is now updated to the latest version. :-)
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Message 7152 - Posted: 28 Dec 2006, 20:21:02 UTC - in response to Message 7151.  

To have the forum software updated to the latest version so it stops sending me a email for every reply to a message

I asked again and ta-da, the forum software is now updated to the latest version. :-)



At last!! :)
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