Hi,

I've set Boinc to automatically start up with Windows XP (SP2). I've also several other programs that automatically start up. They all minimize to the system tray...except the Boinc manager (version 5.2.2). After start up, for some reason, the manager persists to stay on the taskbar. The only way I get it to disappear is by double clicking the Boinc icon in the system tray and then clicking the red cross. Only this way the manager disappears from the taskbar and stays minimized in the system tray. Why?

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I've seen this also but only on my laptop (slower that my desktop)
The manager is reduced to the system tray but it stays on the task bar also. Clicking on it on the task bar does not bring it up. The only way to get rid of it is to open manager from the system tray and close it (with the system X)

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5.2.6 is showing the same problem.
Looks like this appen if windows is very buzy durring boinc startup.
It is also mutch worse if boinc is set to run always.

There are so many thing going on when windows is starting it would help (both windows and boinc) if boinc would wait a delay (1 minute for example) before starting to compute when boinc starts.

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Why?

Because this behaviour is not programmed into the startup sequence of Boinc Manager. It's programmed to start up as maximized and on the task bar. Only when you minimize it with the X button will it go to the system tray.

There are other programs which exhibit the same behaviour, like anti virus programs, anti spyware programs etc.

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Jord,

I think you did not understand the problem description.

We are talking about a problem at windows startup (when boinc starts with the /s switch ("C:\\Program Files\\BOINC\\boincmgr.exe" /s)

Durring windows startup, Boinc shows full screen for a second and then reduce itseft to the system tray (lower right corner) but Boinc stays in the task bar (bottom of the screen).

When it does that, the only way to get rid of boinc on the task bar is to open the boinc manager screen (double click on boinc icon on the system tray) and then close it using the system X button.

In my case, this probleme only occurs on my laptop where windows startup is mutch longer.

Best Regards,

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Okay, I am trying to reproduce this, but I cannot.

I take it you are running Boinc as a single or multi user install?
(Windows XP SP2 I see)

I am asking, since I have now set up BM to startup from StartUp on my Windows 2000, yet my Boinc runs as a service. Upon logging into Windows, I see what you mean when I don't use the /s switch, but not when I do use the switch. All I see is that the BM shows up for a second, then dives to the system tray.

It may well be that there's a difference in need to program that for different Windows versions. Have you entered this one as a bug in BoincZilla?

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Okay, I am trying to reproduce this, but I cannot.

I take it you are running Boinc as a single or multi user install?
(Windows XP SP2 I see)

Thank you for posting in this thread. I haven't installed Boinc as a service (I want to be able to have the graphics). I have chosen the recommended options that were shown during install of Boinc. One was to run Boinc on windows startup, the other was the single user install.

I am asking, since I have now set up BM to startup from StartUp on my Windows 2000, yet my Boinc runs as a service. Upon logging into Windows, I see what you mean when I don't use the /s switch, but not when I do use the switch. All I see is that the BM shows up for a second, then dives to the system tray.

It may well be that there's a difference in need to program that for different Windows versions. Have you entered this one as a bug in BoincZilla?

When I check the Boinc shortcut in the start up folder it contains the /s switch. I haven't posted this as a bug yet.

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My Laptop is on XP home edition (SP1 + all updates exept SP2)

I use it in single user mode.

It is setup to always compute.

I use tread master to make it run at a lower cpu usage but I see the same problem without using tread master.

I'v seen this also on boinc 4.x

No I did not post a bug report.

Speaking of tread master.
It would be great to have a feature inside Boinc to limit the cpu usage.
For example, 50% cpu while the PC in use and 100% while the PC is idle. (user setable)
TreadMaster only allow to set the 1 cpu usage and you need to reconfigure the registry every time there is a version change in the clients.

Laptops don't usualy like to work at 100% cpu full time.
They tend get very hot.
A user friendly way to limit the cpu usage from inside Boinc would be great.
(i'm not talking about controling treadmaster from boinc but to include a cpu limitation mecanism inside boinc)

The other think that would be good ( I am repeating my previous thread here) would be a preference to set a computation start delay.
At boinc startup, it would wait that delay before starting computations. It would help windows to breath at windows startup and give a chance to all program to start.

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I haven't installed Boinc as a service (I want to be able to have the graphics).

There is an easy way to do so even when you have it installed as a service, did you know that? And much to the dismay of another user on here, I am going to point to the Boinc Wiki again, if only because it has the correct way of doing things, with pictures, listed there. :)

Enabling The Graphics Capability of the BOINC Client Software for a Service Type Installation.

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Speaking of tread master.
It would be great to have a feature inside Boinc to limit the cpu usage.

Boinc doesn't do anything but manage things, keep contact with home base, cache the amounts of units and checks which is first in line to start next.

The science applications are the programs that actually crunch the data. They are made on the basis that they use an even lower priority than Windows can show, so if your browser needs 50% of the CPU, the science application will give that to your browser. There is nothing else to regulate.

When the PC is completely idle, all 100% of the cycles will go to the science application.

Boinc and Boincmgr run at normal priority, but none of the science applications do so. Check this in Task Manager, if you want to.

Laptops don't usualy like to work at 100% cpu full time.
They tend get very hot.
A user friendly way to limit the cpu usage from inside Boinc would be great.

Why not set it up to only use the whole CPU when completely idle then? Not when any work is being done on it? Now you want extra limitations which will confuse people.

Whereas you can easily set it to not run at all when you do work on it and only run the full 100% when it's completely idle. Mind, I am not a programmer, I am a tester, but that's how I see it. ;)

The other think that would be good ( I am repeating my previous thread here) would be a preference to set a computation start delay.
At boinc startup, it would wait that delay before starting computations. It would help windows to breath at windows startup and give a chance to all program to start.

I like this one. I'll point this one to Rom.

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My Laptop is on XP home edition (SP1 + all updates exept SP2)

I use it in single user mode.

It is setup to always compute.

I use tread master to make it run at a lower cpu usage but I see the same problem without using tread master.

I'v seen this also on boinc 4.x

No I did not post a bug report.

Speaking of tread master.
It would be great to have a feature inside Boinc to limit the cpu usage.
For example, 50% cpu while the PC in use and 100% while the PC is idle. (user setable)
TreadMaster only allow to set the 1 cpu usage and you need to reconfigure the registry every time there is a version change in the clients.

Laptops don't usualy like to work at 100% cpu full time.
They tend get very hot.
A user friendly way to limit the cpu usage from inside Boinc would be great.
(i'm not talking about controling treadmaster from boinc but to include a cpu limitation mecanism inside boinc)

The other think that would be good ( I am repeating my previous thread here) would be a preference to set a computation start delay.
At boinc startup, it would wait that delay before starting computations. It would help windows to breath at windows startup and give a chance to all program to start.

I agree. I also like some cpu controlling option in Boinc. I did use threadmaster a while ago but for some reason it didn't work properly on my pc. It did work for about half an hour, after that it stopped controlling cpu usage. It also stopped after changing from S@H to E@H.

I don't want the service installation. I like to be able to control Boinc with the manager, switching betweeen run always and run based on preferences.

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I like to be able to control Boinc with the manager, switching betweeen run always and run based on preferences.

You do understand that BOINC is made to be set and forgotten? Even on a laptop? That it doesn't need micromanagement?

Once you know this, it's easier to leave it running...

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Jord,

Boinc doesn't do anything but manage things, keep contact with home base, cache the amounts of units and checks which is first in line to start next.

I know that, I was just talking of using boinc to setup the parameter so that the science application use it to limit itself.

Why not set it up to only use the whole CPU when completely idle then? Not when any work is being done on it? Now you want extra limitations which will confuse people.

I agree that 2 cpu setting could be confusing, 1 would be enought
But IMO cpu limitation is still necessary on many laptop to prevent it from overheating. Until its there, I will keep using TreadMaster on my laptop.

I like this one. I'll point this one to Rom.

Thanks


Best Regards,

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It seems this thread is continued over here...

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